Fitness trends rated: peptides, intuitive eating and more

0:13That was so welcome … to Muscle Science for Women. Welcome. It's Ashleigh and Rachel. Yeah. We're here, and we're ready to go. Ready to go. It's raining and gloomy and- Mm bleh- Yeah … in Chicago. I mean, that's it. We're into the fall now, sadly. Everyone loves fall, but the thing is, it lasts for two weeks, and then it's winter in most places. I think that's why people like it, 'cause it's so fleeting and short, and you get to wear, like, a cute little outfit. And then you wake up one day, and it's winter, and everyone's depressed.

0:42Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. So let's just skip through that. I'll be back in pity. Let's just skip. Yeah, you'll be gone, and I'll be visiting you, so that'll make it better. Yeah. well, I wanted to update you on a little lifestyle change that I've made recently that I think will be relevant to the listeners. So if you normally skip through our small talk, don't, 'cause this might be useful to you. I don't know. I feel like we say that all the time. Don't skip through the small tap- Yeah … talk.

1:07The small talk is the best part. That's why we're here. Yeah. so we can have it. But if you really need to, you can. But don't, though. Don't do it. so I recently made a purchase, and this company is not a sponsor. They could sponsor us if they want to, but they're not, so I, you know, whatever. We're just talking about it because it's real life, a product I purchased to try to help me live my life better. And the experiment is ongoing. So it's this thing called a brick, and it's basically a physical artifact that helps you block apps.

1:37So everybody's heard of sort of in-phone, you know, a, a app that helps you block apps, right? and I know a bunch of people who have had those and have used them to varying degrees of success. And for whatever reason, I had a friend who was using this brick, and I was like, "You know what?" And I think it just came to me, like, it was just brought to my attention in a time when I really was feeling like I needed it. I had, like, 10 days where I was solo parenting, and that's incredibly stressful and exhausting.

2:06And I was definitely using my phone as, like, a coping mechanism more. And it's this weird crappy cycle where, like, I want to be more present, and I don't wanna have my phone, you know, just doing stupid stuff while my kids are around. But I also, like, I needed a break, and I was going on it. And then it was making me feel worse, and I was even more overstimulated. I was just… It was just- Mm-hmm … gross. And then I saw this person who's using this brick thing, and I'm like, "You know what? I'm doing this." So I bought it.

2:32It's very simple. It's, like, literally a little plastic physical little thing. And you can put it… It's a magnet. You can, like, put it somewhere. You can hide it if you want. That's part of it. But it basically is this sort of physical barrier between you and your apps. And you can create different modes. So if you wanna, like, just be off social media, you can create a mode where you turn off only your social media apps. If you want a mode where, like, you can literally only be reached by phone, you can turn everything off.

2:58You can do this manually, where you select a mode and you literally physically tap the brick, and it- It, you know, disables those apps until you tap it again, or you can set something where it's like every day from this time to this time I can't get on these apps. Click, and then it, it takes care of it for you. And, you know, some people might say, like, how is that any different than an in-app thing? and for me, you know, I think it's just different things work for different people, and for me, that physical act I find really- Mm-hmm … effective because if I put this brick in another room, now I have to Because we all know how mindless the phone thing is.

3:34We always have our phone next to us, and we pick it up without even thinking about it. We click on those apps without even thinking one single thought. But when you have to now physically be like, I have to… I'm, like, sitting here with my family, and I now have to get up, walk into a different room, and click this thing just so I can look at stupid Instagram or whatever it is. Yeah. That really makes a difference. And the other interesting element of it, as I've only been experimenting with it for about a week, is that similar to other, like, pedometers or, or fitness trackers where certain type A inclined people can get really cr- competitive with themselves, right?

4:12Like, how many steps can I get, how many whatever can I do, you start to find, like, this positive reinforcement of it, it tracks how long you've been off the app. So it'll be like, oh- Mm-hmm … you've been bricked, whatever, for- Yeah … five hours, and you're like, "Oh, look at me, like, not going on my- I'm gonna get one of these … dumb apps for five hours." Yeah. So again, it's not, it, nothing… It, it's not a magic pill or whatever, but I have found it very beneficial. I think it's worth it. it's… Again, sometimes you just need, like, one kind of cue or physical thing to kind of snap you out of a, out of a rut.

4:47Yeah. And I think, a- again, it's not, you know, changing my life necessarily, but it's been a very positive thing so far, and I'm really pumped to continue to, like, use it and figure it out and just, and just open up my brain because I won't be- Yeah mindlessly scrolling. I… Yeah, no, I think it makes com- like, complete sense, especially coming from someone who has downloaded all the blocking apps and over, overridden? Overrode? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. What is the word? Yeah. Overrode them, I guess.

5:17Yeah … so the physical… And I've seen the brick. Like, I've seen, advertisements for them and stuff, and I was like, "Yeah, that makes sense." But now that you've actually tried it and have had benefits, I'm definitely gonna get it because it does make sense. Like, you have to physically go. It's just like we talk about, like, not having, you know, junk food in the house 'cause you have to physically- Mm-hmm … go to the store to get it, and it's like that extra layer. And especially in, like, our society now, it's like we literally have to implement these things to prevent Like, because our brain is now so conditioned to, like, just do this without even, like, think- like our, you know, non-thinking brain.

5:54Yeah. And it's like we have to put these physical things in play to prevent us from, like, doing what we don't wanna do. Yeah … so yeah, I'm definitely gonna- Wasting our own time. Yeah. And I think it's can be super helpful to, I've actually have a client who has one of these and she, when she goes to, into work, she leaves it in her car- Hmm … so that she'd have to physically go back out to her car to get it. and it cr- it lessens all the distractions and stuff, right? So same thing with, like, going to your basement.

6:24Mm-hmm. And it even, like, when you were talking about this, I was even thinking about other things that are, people might think are just kind of crazy. I've never done this, but I was just, it came to mind when we were talking about the emotional eating at night thing and I'm like, okay, we liter- we physically have to, like, do things to cut things off, and it made me think about, have you ever heard of people who have locks on their refrigerators and their pantries? Yeah. I mean, I've never gotten that far, but I- Yeah … I, it doesn't surprise me I've never gotten that far either, but it made me think about, like- There's, there's th- I looked it up.

6:57There's these things that are literally, like, timed locks that you put around your f- like, refrigerator, and they lock for a certain amount of time. but I'm like these… It does make sense for all of these different devices with all of the stimulation and everything that we have nowadays. It's like we are now re- we're reprogrammed to not be able to bypass, or to b- be able to- Yeah … bypass these things unless there's, like, a physical block. Yeah. So anyways. It's crazy. I, I feel like one of the reasons why it's ef- especially effective for the phone versus, like, if I had a physical blocker for food, for example, like I 100% agree with the idea that, like, not having junk food in the house, you'll eat less of it, 100%.

7:38Mm. However, eh, creating that, that space between wanting, craving something and doing it for food, I, just this is just me personally, like, there are many times when I might be like, "You know what? I'm gonna open this damn fridge because I want it and it's good." But with social media and with your phone, like, we have all, I think, collectively come to a place where no one wants to be on there. Like, no one wants to be wasting their time, or certainly not as much as we are. And so it's been so easy.

8:06It's been like overnight for me with this brick thing where when I've turned it off and then I, like, pick up my phone and maybe I like a- I just mindlessly, like, try to open Instagram and it's like, oh, you can't, and I'm like, "You know what? Good," because- Yeah … I don't wanna be on there anyway. Like, I don't feel any, like, FOMO, like, oh no, what am I missing out on? I'm like, thank God. Like, I don't, I… It's giving me, the choice- Mm-hmm … to not do it, and I'm choosing not to. It's just, it's so good.

8:28Yeah. anyway, so I- But it's also coming back to, like, your reward pathway, right? 'Cause, like, you get, we get reward from the anticipation of scrolling on Instagram 'cause we're like, "What's next? What's next?" The dopamine, right? So it's like all of these things relate back to, like, how effed our reward systems are from all of these- Yeah … just, like, how we've kind of programmed ourselves. So anyways. I'm starting to, like, rewire now that the reward is me, like, feeling good about myself for not going on, which is still- Mm kind of insane that I have to be like pat myself on the back for not just, like, wasting my whole life on my phone, but it is.

9:05I'm like, "Oh, look at me, not on Instagram. Mm, check me out." I know. "I'm so cool." Anyway, I- It's wild … would say if we were gonna rate this underrated, overrated, I would say that it is underrated because I had not really heard about it that much. I think it's a excellent product, and it's not, you know, it's not the cheapest thing in the world, but it, it, you know, if this is a problem for you, I would say it's worth every penny. So, and that's the segue- I agree … into our thing today, which is gonna be we're gonna do a fun little episode because not everything has to be serious and intense.

9:42I mean, we rarely are really. I don't know. But anyway, we're going extra fun today- Yeah … and we're gonna underrate, overrate, rate some fitness trends and concepts and food and maybe some other things that aren't even related to fitness and food. I think it'll be fun. It'll just be- Yeah … commentary, and we invite you guys to, join in the conversation. So if you think that we are, like, totally off base with something, we'll see first of all how many things Rachel and I agree or disagree on on this, this list that we've been given.

10:11But we'd love for you guys to, like, weigh in and tell us what you think about some of these topics. without further ado, should I very quickly- Mm-hmm just before we forget, let's talk about our sponsor, 'cause we gotta do that, okay? So- Oh, yeah … our sponsor is Peluva. Wait, hey, minimalist shoes, overrated, underrated? Mm. What do you think? Oh, that's a great one. They're a sponsor, so I'm gonna say underrated. I do- I think underrated … I, you know, I think the biggest barrier, honestly, so Peluva makes these minimalist toe shoe, the five-toe- Mm-hmm like zero drop, super minimalist shoes.

10:43And honestly, the biggest barrier is the aesthetic, right? Like, people are just like, "I feel like a weirdo, I look like a weirdo," whatever. I personally think these shoes are good-looking as far as five-toe shoes go, but I get it. I'm like, I wouldn't wear them everywhere. so I understand, and I think that part of the, like, concept of these shoes is not that you are barefoot all the time or that you wear these crazy shoes all the time, although you can if you want to. It's the idea that our feet are not doing what they're supposed to j- a lot of the time in our modern world, 'cause we're wearing either super uncomfortable, awful shoes like heels or, you know, shoes that don't fit us.

11:19Or we're wearing s- Heels … big, squishy, you know, sneakers that don't allow our feet to feel the ground, that they don't, they aren't able to send information like up the kinetic chain, you know, the way that they should. And we should have sort of strong, feet that can feel the floor, that can kind of, you know, help us move better. And the more we're barefoot, the better, the stronger and generally better functioning our feet are. And that's the concept behind these shoes. So I'm very pro being barefoot all the time.

11:49If I didn't live in a cold place- Mm … I would never put on a pair of socks ever again in my life. I would be barefoot. But in the meantime, I do use these shoes a lot when I'm like walking around, like my property outside. I use them when I'm walking on the treadmill when I don't wanna be barefoot. I'm a big fan of them, and if that's something that you're into, go check out Peluva. So it's P-L-U-V-A.com. And we have a code, it's MuscleMaven for 10% off your first pair. And they have a bunch of different colors, styles, whatever.

12:21Very wide toe box, everything. They're really comfortable. They really are. Once you get past the weirdness of like sticking your toes into individual little things- Yeah … they're very comfortable shoes, so anyway. They have socks too, right? I think so, yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. They have a lot of different options. Like this is… Talk about trends, like the stuff is exploding, but these guys are kind of pretty OG. It's like Mark Sisson's company. He's- Mm … obviously been doing this thing for a long time, so.

12:46and they were kind enough to sponsor us, so thank you Peluva. Thank you. Peluva.com, 10% off your first pair. With code Muscle Maven. Okay, let's get into it. Which one are we talking about first? Underrated, overrated. See how quickly and succinctly- … we can be and not go down crazy rabbit holes on any of these. We're trying to do- … relatively, like, fast, fast- Relatively fast. Yeah. Why don't you pick? Okay. The first one. Let's see. First ones. Okay, sleep maxing. So, I mean, first, are you immediately enraged just by the term maxing?

13:20'Cause that's, like, a young person's thing. Looks maxing. I just think everything's- Protein maxing. Yeah. Everything's maxing now. But- Fiber maxing. Yeah. Yeah. Which just means, like- So that part's kind of annoying … which just means, like, you're paying attention to it, and you're… Like, right? I mean, some might say that the maxing part is, like, literally doing the most. Yeah. And I would say that you, before this was a term, you've been doing that, 'cause you've talked on the podcast about how you, like, you load up.

13:46You've got the ear things. You've got the head mask. You've got the wrap, and the thing, and the this. You- Two noise machines on either side There you go. But- You're, like, really going for it. So maybe you like, you like sleep maxing. You just maybe didn't call it that. Yeah. I mean, I think there's so many different ways that you can… Like, ob- obviously sleep is one of the most important things, and just optimizing it as much as possible, is, I think, underrated. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, it's… There's so many different things that you can do.

14:17And people are like, "Oh, I get terrible sleep." And obviously depends what stage of life you're in. In perimenopause it's a whole different story. We won't go into that. But I do think- Mm-hmm … it's underrated. and I do miss my… I used to have one of those, cooling pads for my bed. Mm, me too. But I left that in San Diego. Yeah. I got rid of mine too. Yeah. It is pretty sweet though. I would agree with you on the underrated because I think, like, some maxing, like biohacking and, like, you can, we could go… Again, so many rabbit holes of, like, the looks maxing.

14:45Mm-hmm. Like, the people who, like, put, like, 80 layers of, like, wraps on their face before they go to bed to, like, look like a newborn baby the next day or whatever. And it's like, again, free will, do what you want. But I think we can all agree that sleep is, again, the foundation. It's the most important thing ever. Mm-hmm. And if you wanna, like, layer upon layer to, like, really try to get that good sleep, I, I don't see the harm in that, unless you're, like, doing things that are bizarre or weird.

15:10But I mean, we have listed here, this is something I want you to talk about, the two, two kiwis before bed. What is that? Just fiber? What's in it that makes you sleep better? honestly, I've seen that circulating, but I think it's a combination of the fiber and then some of the… I don't know exactly. I di- I should have looked this up before we started recording 'cause I- Yeah … don't remember exactly. But I think there's, like, some, the components in it- Mm that- Helpful to sleep … just… Yeah. I don't know.

15:38Huh. I need to look it up, but I forgot about that one. Well, I'll tell you, as somebody who is never sleeping ever again apparently because of my kids- Hmm … it's a different story. Like, I will do, I'll try tart cherry. I'll take the magnesium. Mm-hmm. I'll put on the sleep mask. I'll do whatever y- within reason, whatever I think will give me a slightly better chance of sleeping, I'll do it. So I think we both agree that one will go underrated because it's awesome. Okay. Yeah. All right, now you pick one.

16:05Okay. Peptides Yeah, I knew it. Peptides. Okay, you answer first. We'll keep this succinct. No, sure. No, you go. Okay, fine. I think… Okay, no, you go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. You go. Okay. I think I'm gonna just keep this as succinct as possible. I obviously, if people don't know, I've been diving deep into pep- you know me, like when- Mm-hmm I set my eyes on something and I'm like, wanna learn about it, I just go headfirst. And so like the last month-ish, I've just everything peptides. And it's more so from the like sci- like d- diving into like the scientific side of it.

16:42Like, there's so many different peptides, but like how do they actually affect your body? Like what is the process? Not just slapping all these peptides on and hoping for the best. So- Mm-hmm … I do think that, peptides themselves, how people are currently using them, where they're stacking all these different ones, they have no idea what these things are doing, they're like seeing some person on TikTok promoting or social media, whatever, like I think that's super overrated. However- Yeah … as I've been digging more into peptides and individual ones for the last, you know, six weeks, I think that th- there are a lot that are underrated for different ways that they can benefit you and optimize health.

17:27and I think that a lot of that has been overlooked because so many people are just like trying to stack all these things, and then you have no idea what's working, no idea, like whatever. So in general- I personally think that peptides as a tool in the toolbox, if you're utilizing them correctly, is underrated. And I wanna say that I told you, like, this, course is- course that I joined, the first part… And when I join a course or something, you know, it's kinda like our Muscle Science Formula course, right?

18:03We're diving into, like, the science behind these things, things that, you know, you got the, science and the application. And the course that I was telling you about offline, the first part of it, the first thing that it said coming into it says, "Good decisions don't come from urgency, they come from understanding." Hmm. And so I think that that, I think that a lot of people are making decisions that are very urgent when it comes to peptides. They see a sale, they s- see someone promote it, they see all these, like, fancy new things, and they go ahead and just, like, you know, inject a bunch of different ones versus first understanding what these things are actually doing from, like, a scientific perspective in your body, and that is where I think that part's underrated.

18:47Mm-hmm. I guess the problem there is, like, not everybody is gonna wanna do that deep dive. Not everybody's gonna know how to do that deep dive. And so this is where being a late adopter like yours truly can really come in handy because I'm not doing anything like that out of urgency. I don't care. I'd love to look young and recover fast and get buff just like everybody else, but I'm not injecting a bunch of random stuff that I don't know anything about- Mm-hmm no matter how good-looking the person is that's hawking it to me.

19:15So I currently think it's overrated to your point of, like, the way that people are accessing and talking about it currently. However, I also do believe that it could very well be the next ab- like, complete wave of preventative, proactive health in the future. Like, in 10, 15 years, maybe everybody, you know, standard of care are on, you know, some kind of peptides. Mm-hmm. I guess there's an affordability thing there and a quality control thing there. but at this point I'm just fine to, like, let people ride this wave and for me to just continue to do, like, the normal l- lifestyle stuff and just wait it out because I'm not jumping on this bandwagon until maybe you do all the work and tell me- Yeah and then we'll follow up after that.

19:57So that's how I feel about it. Well, and that, yeah, and that's totally, fair. I am the opposite. I wanna just dive in. Not, not the opposite to, like, I'm gonna go take all these peptides more so, like, I'm just wanting to learn- You wanna know more … learn all these things, and then eventually I have some, in mind that we can talk about as I- Get into it, but- Okay. TBD, coming soon, guys TBD 'Cause I know people have been writing us and saying, "Hey, talk about peptides," and we're like, "That's, like, just a mountain," you know?

20:23So we don't wanna dive into that until the, we're more better prepared for that. okay, next one. Wellness rave. What is a wellness rave? Have you been to one? actually yeah. I went to- Hmm … the one that was in my backyard. Did I tell you about this? Oh. Like, a few months ago, in my backyard. I thought there was, like, a wellness, like, event or something, but I didn't know there was… So there's d- they call these… I guess this wasn't tech- technically called a rave. I mean, it was, like, in that category where you, it's a, you know, a weekend thing, and there's DJs and vendors, and everybody is like, brings their yoga mat, and they have people up in the front on stage instead of it being, like, just a DJ, and you're, you know, dancing to music.

21:09It's, like, a DJ and then, someone putting on a class, right? Like, whether it's a yoga thing or whatever. and it's, like, this whole 48-hour thing. And instead of it being just, like, going to a rave and dancing, you're going and, like, doing fitness stuff, so. I love that idea. I mean, I, I guess it's just, like, a cooler version of, like, the fitness, like, expos, trade shows we used to go to with, like, a bit more of a party component, which I think is great, 'cause people need more opportunity to let loose and dance and have fun and have a good time.

21:42So it sounds- Yeah … sounds great to me. I would love to go to one. I would love to be a part… Back in my day, raves were the opposite of wellness. Yeah. It was not for your health. It was for vibes only. but no, I love that idea. Yeah. I think that's cool. I would- Yeah … I would definitely go to one. Invite us to one- Yeah people. So, s- I, I didn't tell you about that? Simone Biles was at this. Yeah, you did tell me about it, but, like- Yeah, so that was- … the impression that I got was, like, it was, like, this, like… Yeah, just, like, I thought a, a ra- like, rave, I was taking rave literally, like, just a party versus- Oh, got it … there's other stuff going on, too.

22:15Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, next one. muscle mommy as a, as a label. Do you have strong feelings? All you. I mean, listen, we can both weigh in on this just because I'm the only one who's, like, technically a mommy. I feel like this is… I actually am kind of neutral on this, to be honest. It doesn't offend me as a title. I think, like so many of these things, it's so subjective. Like, it, it does kind of piss me off a little bit that the only way I'm seeing it is on all, again, all these stupid Instagram reels that are, like, asking gym bros, like, "What do you like better, like a muscle mommy or a cardio bunny?" And I'm just like, "Ugh," just, like, barfing onto my phone.

22:55Yeah. 'Cause I'm like, first of all, who cares? Second of all, it's so subjective 'cause, like- Yeah … we could both look at somebody and be like, "Oh, that's a muscle mommy," and she's like, "All I do is cardio. I just h- genetically look great." Yeah. Or vice versa. but I think if it makes people feel badass and feel good about themselves, like, call it what you want, you know? I like it. Mm-hmm. I'm g- I'm fine with it. Yeah, I was gonna say, I like the… I don't know, I like it. I like the term muscle mommy.

23:18I think it sounds kind of badass, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think it's underrated. Yeah. Okay, cool. Personally. All right. Okay. What's next? We did that one quickly. What else we got here? Dating apps. Just in general. Just in general. I feel like as a person who may be dating, you need to start off with this one. Overrated, underrated. Let me read. Yeah. Oh my God. Hmm. Okay. I think, I think that they're, they're a good concept, but in my personal experience Not great … haven't, not great, not great.

23:53Yeah. So I think, like, overrated for me personally currently. also, like, I just was messing around, you know. It's been a decade plus. And- Yeah … not, not really interested in anything. So I do think, I mean, I have some friends who are, have been together for a while and they've met on dating apps and, you know, it's great. Yeah. Yeah. I'm neutral- I mean, the f- the few- … in that sense … like single friends that I have will tell you very overrated, very negative experiences, very jaded about it.

24:25I, and I will say too, like I have a, a f- you know, friend anyway who's q- quite a bit younger, and she just started dating this guy. And I'm like, "Oh, how'd you guys meet?" Fully expecting her to say a dating app. And she's like, "We met at a bar." And I was like, "Good for you." Mm. "You guys met in real life, like old school style." So I don't know. I mean, I think it's, to your point, it is sort of like a, a part of the current sort of cultural landscape. But I think a lot of people, similar to social media, are feeling like I would much rather just meet somebody in real life.

24:54Which is why the other thing we have listed here- Yeah … the run club. Run club as a place to meet people. Like, I love that idea because so, so often when you're trying to meet people, whether it's friends or like a future partner, it's like I don't know what to do. Like, I'm not going to bars anymore necessarily, or I'm busy or, you know, I, I don't have a lot of time to just go out and like have a coffee with someone and hope I like them. So you go do something- Yeah … like a run club or a, maybe there's a yoga club or there's a s- singles d- whatever the hell.

25:20Bikeable. And then you're doing something. Yeah. There you go. And then you're doing something that you enjoy. You already know you have a shared common thing. Yeah. And I think that's cool. I, yeah, I think that's underrated in the sense of, community and finding people who enjoy similar things to you. Mm-hmm Yeah, for sure underrated. And what was that one? Run clubs as dating- Yeah. Apps, yeah, or like as dating opportunity, you know, 'cause- Opportunities, yeah. Yeah, I like it. I mean- Even though I don't run I don't know if I'd choose… That's what I was gonna say.

25:53I was like, "I don't know if I'd choose the run specifically," but if there was like, "Hey, go do pushups with hot people," I'd be like, "Sure, I'll try that." Wait, but do you remember what I told you the other day? Did I tell you this? That I was like, "Okay, I think I need to get into HYROX because…" Yeah, 'cause there was somebody that was doing HYROX. Listen. Because there's people… No, because I'm like, "Okay, what is my t-…" Like, we were talking about, like, what is my type? And I'm- Apparently it's HYROX … I, for the longest time, I was like, "I don't know." And then I was like, "Oh, okay, I think I know."

26:20Yeah … and gotta have some muscles. You gotta, you know, like the gym. She's, she's doing this on purpose on the podcast- Yeah … just in case there's a- Just in case. … someone muscular doing HYROX right now, reach out Not just- Okay … someone who does HYROX. Okay, no. Let me, let me clarify. It's not just HYROX, but I was observing that there were a lot of people who are doing HYROX now that I don't interact with, 'cause I don't do HYROX- Sure versus people that I just, like, would see at the gym or even, like, flag football.

26:51It's like a different, you know- Mm-hmm group. Yeah. And so I was like, "Okay, well, maybe I need to get into HYROX to meet some more people in that facility." Well, you and I have been talking shit about potentially doing HYROX together. Talking shit. So, but you're gonna have to come here, I've decided, because I'm always coming to you, so you have to come to Canada to do a HYROX. so. I don't know if I want to actually do one, though. I, I don't think I do, but I would also- It's like so much cardio … be convinced.

27:20Yeah, like, I mean, you know, sometimes you gotta do things that suck just for the, just for the story. I don't also know if I can physically do it because of my legs. Mm. But, like, running long distance 'cause of my compartment syndrome. Well, it's not long distance though, it's just a lot of running, right? Like over the course- Well, it's- … of an hour, hour or so. It's, it's not like- I think, yeah … a lot of running. It's like one- It's like a mile … mile? Yeah. Yeah, that's still- That's long … it's like a mile times four times or five times or something like that.

27:49So five miles. With all the other stuff. I don't know. I made that up. Don't quote me Okay. Maybe we'll come back around to the Hyrox thing to, to be continued. If you know anybody who's single and… I'm just kidding If you know anybody who's single and looks like maybe they'd be good at Hyrox- Actually- Hit her up … honestly, it's just a s- an athlete. Like, you need to be an athlete I mean, that's fair. And for me, like, listen, happily married long time, can't even fathom dating anyone ever, ever, ever.

28:18Me either but if I had to if I had to go look for somebody, I'm like, I have to go do a sport. Like, I'd have to go basketball. I like them tall. Really? I can't play basketball. I can't play basketball for… Well, I guess you're- Really? … not tall either, and you can play. I mean, I could do a layup. You'll see- … someday. I have a husband who can dunk. I have a husband who can dunk. So, like, I've s- stood in front of a basketball net a few times. We're gonna have to play some basketball. Oh, God.

28:41You'll break my, break my ankles. Okay. Let's continue. What's next? Ooh. Okay, let's just do it. Intuitive eating, underrated or overrated? Hmm. I think it depends what headspace you're in. Yeah, I think it very much depends. I think what we take out of this, like intuitive eating just as a generic diet, probably not great. It's too layered and too complex and too, like, individualized. But I would say to take from that generic, you know, fad the concept of paying a bit more attention to your actual body signals when you're eating the types of foods you're eating.

29:23Like, I was just having this conversation the other day with a friend of mine who is, like, intolerant to certain foods, and she was telling me about how she negotiates when she's gonna eat those foods. And I was like, I know that this is so easy for me to say because I am very fortunate to be somebody who has, like, zero food intolerances, but if I knew that a certain food, even a food that I liked, was gonna make me, like, w- you know, poop my pants in an hour, like I would not eat it. Yeah. But there are so many people who, like, they negotiate with themselves about like, "I really like this food and it's gonna make me feel like such garbage, but like I'm just gonna do it." And, and so maybe that's where, like, some intuitive stuff could come in and be like, I guess it's all just a, a balancing, a balancing act.

30:04But- Mm … paying more attention to, again, not just what somebody tells you to eat or not how somebody else that looks really good eats, but like how do certain foods really make you feel? And when you eat this way, how do you feel? When you eat this way, how does your body react? That's the part of intuitive eating that I think is important. Even if you're following a strict plan, even if you're following a plan somebody else gave you, we should always be trusting our body and what our body is telling us, and paying attention to it, you know?

30:29And making informed decisions as a result of it. That's my two cents. Yeah, I would say int- I think that intuitive eating is overrated as a, something to utilize if you are trying to, change your body composition in a specific way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. especially with, like, going into a fat loss phase, for example, because your body signals are going to tell you to eat - Yeah … when you are in a deficit. Like, that's literally what it's supposed to do. So if you pay attention to that, then you're never going to actually- create that deficit needed to lose that body fat.

31:01And so when people are intuitively eating and wanting to lose body fat, and they're not seeing the result that they want, then that's where it's like, okay, we, we can't rely on that. Mm-hmm. If you are seeing the result that you want and it's working for you, great. Keep doing it. Yeah. But if it's not, then no. On the opposite side of that, I think that, once you are… Like, if the goal is to just eat and fuel yourself and, you know, be at maintenance and work on that side of things, I think that it's an underrated tool at, with that goal because you should be able to get to a point when you are at, at your maintenance calories, paying attention to those actual hunger signals and actual fullness and things like that.

31:49so I think in that sense it's overrated, but that also, there's also the component of, like, all the emotional side of things that trigger you to wanna eat, and, like, being able to- Sure … separate those two, and I think that is also a skill, you know, that needs to be practiced as well. So that's my take. Yep. Okay, moving on. What's the next one? You pick. do we have… How many do we have left? I mean, potentially just three from this list. Okay. From this bottom list. AI personal training. Yeah.

32:25Yeah. I mean, I have mixed feelings about this, because, and you and I have had many offline conversations. Again, I'm the late adopter, right? So I'm the one who immediately distrusts anything, and also who if something is immediately hugely popular and everyone's jumping on it, I immediately am just like, "Eh, I don't like it," like almost as a- Mm-hmm … knee-jerk reaction, and that's not always the best way to be. I do feel like there's some safety in, like, not just jumping on every single thing that everybody thinks is great, and again, taking some time.

32:57Maybe I do a deep dive. Maybe I just wait it out and watch and observe, or maybe I wait and see how I feel about things. So I, again, AI, and over the last, like, six months to a year, like, I've had probably increasingly negative feelings about the way AI is going. I think that it's, to a certain extent inevitable. I think that it's a tool that can be beneficial. I think net it's not good, just as a concept. What about for personal training? Yeah, I'm just setting the- Okay … I'm just setting the stage here.

33:23Gotcha. So but I do think that the benefits, the potential benefits of AI for training is that there's certainly an affordability piece, right? Because it can be, provided. Effective training plans can be provided much cheaper than working one-on-one with a real person. and I do think that, you know, the more, AI is iterating and people are learning how to use it, it can be very effective. so you know- Mm-hmm … I see the, I see the potential of it. It's just the, the concept of AI in general leaves me with such a bad taste that I, I am currently at a minimum effective dose, feeling about it.

34:00And, and so then the other thing I'll say is that it can prob- it could very likely provide you with a very effective training plan, but just having an effective training plan and even having some AI app that wakes you up and says, "Hey, it's me. Go work out," I still feel like it's not the same as having a real person, a real coach- Mm-hmm … who's a real human being who actually knows you and talks like a human and can respond to you like a human. I think that's better. It's just not always available or possible or accessible to people.

34:31so I think it's, it's, it's fine, but I don't love it. Yeah. I mean, I don't really have feelings on it. I think it's just gonna be something that's inevitable- Yeah and already is, and I think it's a good tool for people, but to, to continue to learn about different things. But like you said, I just don't think it can fully replace, like, a human being being able to coach you through certain things. And even, like, with training, it's like y- you know, there's so many different- Before AI, people could go online and put in like different- Sure … you know, what split should I do and all this.

35:07That's been around forever, right? Yeah. And clearly there's benefits to having someone who can, you know, program this for you based off of your specific goal and have like, an actual person there to be able to, assess and, and help you work through things. 'Cause obviously, like with training itself, it's not just what you're doing in the gym. That's like, what, an hour out of your day every, you know, like four or five days a week. W- what about the rest of it? Right. so that's my take. Yeah. I regret to inform you that I feel like we've pretty much agreed on- What?

35:41pretty much everything. No. I mean, you know, we have maybe slightly different takes, but we've pretty much agreed w- on everything, so we tr- we're trying to find- No we didn't. Do we? … like ways to fight with each other, but no. Okay, well- Agreed … I have an idea. Okay. If you've gotten through this whole podcast, what I think we should do is for our next… 'Cause we're trying this out, overrated, underrated. Mm-hmm. Some people like it, some people don't, whatever. We will, potentially put like a box up on our social media or on our website, the question box- Mm-hmm … and have people submit what they want us to fight over.

36:14AKA, what do you want us to debate is underrated, overrated- Yeah and then we can do that based off of the listeners. Yeah. Yeah. And anybody who knows us might be able to tease, tease some areas that we would disagree on. Yeah. okay, two more quick little ones, that we can do. Japanese interval. Just kidding. Okay. No, we're not talking about that. okay. wait. What was this one? Audiobooks, underrated or overrated? Underrated. Yeah. Okay. I strongly disagree. No, I don't. I, I'm actually very neutral about audiobooks.

36:49The only little rant I had to make about audiobooks, this is like literally just a rant that I have to get off my chest that isn't even applicable to this. I think audiobooks… Listen, wait for it. Audiobooks are great, okay? The technology of being able to listen to a story while you drive, work, clean your house, whatever, love it, wonderful. I personally don't use it as much as I want to. Like, I feel like I could do it for like a, like biography or something, but like, I like to read fiction, and I just like to have it in my own head.

37:16Mm-hmm. I feel like when someone else is reading it, it takes me out of it. I don't know. I just like the physical act of like reading the book, but I think they're great. It's just like listening to a podcast. I listen to hours of podcasts a week, so- Yeah … wonderful. The only little argument that I will make is I have had people tell me that if you listen to an audiobook, it counts as reading. Thoughts? n- I don't know. I don't really r- like it's, I read in the morning- But I'm like, I've always had trouble sitting there and, like, reading.

37:46Mm-hmm. Like, I just, my attention goes somewhere else. So unless it's something I'm super interested in, so like that's why I don't really read fiction Sure. Or listen to fiction. I don't know. But I don't know if it counts as I don't think so No, it doesn't 'Cause you gotta like- Yeah, you're listening, not reading. That's two different things. Senses. And again, caveat- I don't know … before anyone decides to get mad at me, if you have any issues or problems preventing you from physically reading a book, or you just choose not to physically read a book, I- that is perfectly fine.

38:17I am making absolutely zero judgments about that. However, if you listen to an audiobook, you are not reading it. You are listening to it. Mm-hmm. It is by definition an audiobook that you're li- It's like the analogy that I use, 'cause I have someone try to fight me on this, like, "No, it counts as reading. It took time. It counts as reading." Here's the analogy. Rachel and I decide to climb a mountain, okay? We wanna get to the top of the mountain. Rachel climbs it. I go up on my husband's back.

38:45We both get up there. We both see it. We both experienced it, but someone put a lot more effort in. Someone very passively was taken up the mountain- Mm-hmm and someone climbed it. You cannot listen to an audiobook, or you can't read a book while driving a car, washing the dishes, doing a workout. It takes a different level of physical, like, effort and, and attention, right? Mm-hmm. So that's my only argument. I think they're both wonderful. It's fine however you wanna take in your media, great.

39:12Mm-hmm. But if you listen to 10 audiobooks this month, you did not read 10 books. That's my fight. That's my fight. It's a hill I'll die on Oh, man. I don't, I don't have a say. I will say that I have, part of this going back to sleep maxing, I think that reading before bed is great, like physically reading- Yes 'cause that makes me sleepy. and I just, I go back and forth in my nighttime, my nighttime routines where I'm like really good with it, and then I get off of it. But I try to read fiction, and then I just like … I don't know.

39:41It's been a struggle, but, Mm-hmm … yeah, I think it's- it's also thinking about like writing, physically writing like in a journal versus, typing. I think those are c- two completely different things. There you go … like obviously getting it- It's the same concept though, right? There's benefits. Yeah. There's benefits to getting things out of your brain. Like if you're someone who's typing it, you're still getting that out of your brain and physically like doing that. But the movement of your hand … And there, I think there's like studies on this.

40:08I don't really know, but that is a different- And it's a different level of effort too. Yeah. It's just that you're using your brain in a different way, right? Yeah. okay, last one for today. Voice notes. Voice notes as communication. I think underrated. I love a voice note. Me too. I al- I- I feel like it's not underrated because I think everybody loves them. Like are there people out there- Oh … who actually hate voice notes and are like, "Don't send me"? I mean, listen, sometimes- Mm … sometimes I'll be like, "Dude, I don't wanna listen to a seven-minute voice note," but most of the time I'm like, "Okay, let's, let's get into it."

40:39Yeah. "Let's do it. It's just another podcast for my friend." But now you can read them too, right? Yeah. It's not as good though. The transcription isn't great. Like- No, yeah, I know … in a pinch, but … No, I love it. I think that- I think it's- Yeah … it's a great way to communicate. And like with a lot of my friends where, again, we don't have the time to sit and have a conversation. Like I used to be like that where I'd have like two-hour phone calls with my friends and I'm like, "I don't have time for that," or the energy.

40:59Yeah. But if you send me a 10-minute voice note and then eight hours later I send you a 10-minute one back, amazing. We're, it's like a deeper level of, of, you know, interacting- Yeah than if you're just like sending a text message. It's way more entertaining. Again- Yeah … back with the podcast. It's like I get to listen to podcasts from my friends all day long just telling me about their life. I love it. I love it too. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So we've effectively agreed on everything. Yeah. Oh, man.

41:24I think, yeah. Send us some topics that you think we'll disagree on. And it can't be the like w- how good is squash? Like we already know we disagree on certain things. You know? It's gotta be something new. Yeah. New and exciting. We'll try. I think we'll figure it out. I think it's tough because we are so like- It's like it depends type of vibes- Yeah, we're both- 'Cause- We're both in that… Yeah We're not dogmatic about things. Yeah. And we l- we respect each other's opinions, so it's, like, hard to- That too.

41:51But we also will respectfully disagree from time to time Yeah But I think it's the, you're right, it's like the dogmatic thing. Maybe you and I both need to go back and think about, like, what are some things that we just irrationally feel very strongly about and then see if the other one is like- Yeah "Chill out, it's, that's a little bit much." We'll see. Gonna take some thinking. Obviously I have strong feelings about audiobooks, but I mean, that really doesn't relate to our, to our life too much, or our work.

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